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One Vote Part 3

“One vote more then everyone else and you’re everything. One vote less then anyone else and you are nothing.” Barry Aulis

This is the logic of the First Past The Post electoral system. See the post One Vote below.

Windsor Tecumseh Lakeshore – Ontario

With the Dual Electoral System 3 candidates would have been elected in this Riding, the Conservative, Liberal, and NDP candidates. Depending on how the other 4 candidates transfer their votes the Riding’s 3 MPs would have the following votes when the House of Commons is in legislative session.

Kathy Borrelli: 32,090 to 33,812

Irek Kusmierczyk: 32,086 to 33,808

Alex Ilijoski: 4,240 to 5,962

The other 4 candidates would transfer their votes to one of the above or do no transfer and those votes disappear and don’t count towards the passing of legislation in the House of Commons.

Again “try it before you buy it” form the House Advisory Council composed of the top 2 candidates in each Riding with the 3rd and 4th if they got 5% of the vote. The remaining candidates transfer their votes to one of the candidates from their Riding who did get elected. They also have the option of no transfer in which case those votes disappear and don’t count towards deciding what bills get passed in legislative session.

If the Dual Electoral System was adopted reduce the number of Ridings to 300 giving you 600 to 1200 MPs of which only 300 sit in the House these are the Sitting Members of the House the rest are Non Sitting Members of the House. You could half the number of Ridings to 150 giving you 300 to 600 MPs of which again 300 would be Sitting Members and the rest being Non Sitting Members.

The Original version of the Dual Electoral System had the top 2 in each Riding being elected and the rest transferring their votes to one of these elected candidates. Hence if you keep the same number of Ridings you will double the number of members. Keep the same number of MPs and you half the number of Ridings thus doubling the number of voters each has and increasing their area covered.

One Vote Part 2

“One vote more then everyone else and you’re everything. One vote less then anyone else and you are nothing.” Barry Aulis

This is the logic of the First Past The Post electoral system. See the post One Vote below.

Terra Nova – Newfoundland & Labrador

With the Dual Electoral System 2 candidates would have been elected in Terra Nova the Liberal and Conservative candidates. Depending on how Liam Ryan transfers his votes the Riding’s 2 MPs would have the following votes when the House of Commons is in legislative session.

Anthony Germain: 19,704 or 21,381

Jonathan Rowe: 19,692 or 21,369

Liam Ryan would transfer his 1677 votes to either Germain or Rowe or do no transfer and those votes disappear and don’t count towards the passing of legislation in the House of Commons.

Again “try it before you buy it” form the House Advisory Council composed of the top 2 candidates in each Riding with the 3rd and 4th if they got 5% of the vote. The remaining candidates transfer their votes to one of the candidates from their Riding who did get elected. They also have the option of no transfer in which case those votes disappear and don’t count towards deciding what bills get passed in legislative session.

If the Dual Electoral System was adopted reduce the number of Ridings to 300 giving you 600 to 1200 MPs of which only 300 sit in the House these are the Sitting Members of the House the rest are Non Sitting Members of the House. You could half the number of Ridings to 150 giving you 300 to 600 MPs of which again 300 would be Sitting Members and the rest being Non Sitting Members.

The Original version of the Dual Electoral System had the top 2 in each Riding being elected and the rest transferring their votes to one of these elected candidates. Hence if you keep the same number of Ridings you will double the number of members. Keep the same number of MPs and you half the number of Ridings thus doubling the number of voters each has and increasing their area covered.

One Vote

“One vote more then everyone else and you’re everything. One vote less then anyone else and you are nothing.” Barry Aulis

This is the logic of the First Past The Post electoral system and the recount in Terrebonne literally just proved that statement!

With the Dual Electoral System 3 candidates would have been elected in Terrebonne; the Liberal, Bloc, and Conservative candidates. Depending on how the 3 remaining candidates transfer their votes, the Riding’s 3 MPs would have the following votes when the House of Commons is in legislative session.

Tatiana Auguste: 23,352 to 25,966

Nathalie Sinclair-Desgagné: 23,351 to 25,965

Adrienne Charles: 10,961 to 13,575

My own Riding of Compton-Stanstead would have the same result; the Liberal, Bloc, and Conservative candidates being elected with the NDP, Green, and People’s Party candidates transferring their votes to one of the 3 elected candidates.

Again “try it before you buy it” form the House Advisory Council composed of the top 2 candidates in each Riding with the 3rd and 4th if they got 5% of the vote. The remaining candidates transfer their votes to one of the candidates from their Riding who did get elected. They also have the option of no transfer in which case those votes disappear and don’t count towards deciding what bills get passed in legislative session.

If the Dual Electoral System was adopted reduce the number of Ridings to 300 giving you 600 to 1200 MPs of which only 300 sit in the House these are the Sitting Members of the House the rest are Non Sitting Members of the House. You could half the number of Ridings to 150 giving you 300 to 600 MPs of which again 300 would be Sitting Members and the rest being Non Sitting Members.

The Original version of the Dual Electoral System had the top 2 in each Riding being elected and the rest transferring their votes to one of these elected candidates. Hence if you keep the same number of Ridings you will double the number of members. Keep the same number of MPs and you half the number of Ridings thus doubling the number of voters each has and increasing their area covered.

Alberta election 2023

The last Alberta provincial election 2023 by the Dual Electoral System.

The top 2 candidates are elected with the third or fourth also elected if they got 5% of the vote. All other candidates transfer their vote to one elected in their riding or let it not get represented. Each riding is represented by 2 to 4 MLAs.

All these legislators only vote when the Assembly is in legislative session every Wednesday afternoon. The 87 sitting MLAs are elected by party lists voted on by the MLAs. Each party will elected sitting members equal to their legislative vote.

The top two candidates in every riding were the UCP and the NDP. No fourth place candidate got 5% of the vote but 2 third place candidates did, both the Alberta Party, in the ridings of Brooks-Medicine hat and LaCombe-Ponoka.

After calculating for the sitting members you drop the decimal then add members to get the number of sitting members. You add 1 to each list in order of the highest decimal remainder. For the party lists the party candidates are ordered from highest percentage of the vote to lowest. So for the UCP it would be the 47 candidates with the highest percentage of the vote who get to sit in the Legislative Assembly and the top 40 for the NDP.

Still here / BC Election 2017

bc2017Finally got around to doing the 2017 BC election as under the Dual Electoral System. Out of the 87 ridings you have the following as the top two candidates in each.

Top two

Lib / NDP

NDP / Green

Lib / Green

Lib / Ind

Ridings

76

7

2

2

The following are the 11 ridings that were not Liberal / NDP as the top two candidates.

NDP / Green (7): Nelson-Creston, New Westminster, Vancouver-Mount Pleasent, Cowichan valley, Saanich North and the Islands, Victoria-Beacon Hills, Victoria-Swan Lake

Liberal / Green (2): West Vancouver-Sea to Sky, Oak Bay-Gordon Head

Liberal / Independent (2):

Peace River North elects a Liberal (Dan Davies) and Bob Fedderly.

Delta South elects a Liberal (Ian Paton) and Nicholas Wong.

I made the assumption that 80% of the Green vote would go to the NDP and the rest splits 50 / 50 where it’s the Liberal / NDP elected. The NDP vote goes Green and the Liberal goes 67% NDP and 33% Green. For the Independents they get all the NDP and Green vote the rest splits 50 / 50. The results are below.

Parties

Seats

Pop vote

Dual Seats

Dual leg votes

Liberal

43 (49%)

40%

80 (46%)

42%

NDP

41 (47%)

40%

83 (48%)

51%

Green

3 (3%)

17%

9 (5%)

6%

Ind

0 (0%)

3%

2 (1%)

1%

As stated in earlier posts, you can try it, before you buy it. The BC legislature forms the Assembly advisory council of 174 members with 2 from each riding. These being the top two candidates in each. All the other candidates transfer their votes to one of these candidates in their riding. In regular session each member has one vote. In legislative session each member has a number of votes equal to their popular vote plus any popular vote won by a candidate in their riding that got transferred to them. The advisory council in regular session advises the BC Assembly on procedural votes. The Council in legislative session advises the Assembly on whether to pass or defeat a bill up for a final vote.